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"Picasso: So you're saying you bring a beautiful idea into being?
Einstein: Yes. We create a system and see if the facts can fit it.
Picasso: So you're not just describing the world as it is?
Einstein: No! We are creating a new way of looking at the world!
Picasso: So you're saying you dream the impossible and put it into effect?
Einstein: Exactly."
In this particular portion of their discussion, we are able see the relationship that art and science share. That is, that both of the subjects use a system of their creation (be it the natural artistic ability or formulas created to explain different phenomena) in order to bring a beautiful idea into existence.
For Picasso, it is his god-given talent to express himself through his art. His countless ideas are displayed to others by this means, having his unorthodox ideas (e.g. cubism) shown in his drawing and paintings.
Einstein uses his knowledge (in the format of theories and scientific formulas) to try and describe the beauty of the natural world and why things exist as they do. By using his example of the solar system, with the planets revolving around the sun versus the other way around, we are better able to understand how he tries to express his ideas as a scientist.
I do believe there is truth to this idea, that both subject matters try to accomplish the same means and with the same basic idea of action to do so. Though they may follow through differently at some points, the principles remain the same, and both result in a beautiful idea coming into existence.
Very well said Monica!!!
Though it will be hard to not summarize what Monica said, I will do my best...
This segment takes place after Picasso and Einstein have the duel on the napkins and they're examining each other's work:
E: It's perfect.
P:Thank you.
E: I'm talking about mine.
P: (studies it) It's a formula.
E: So's yours.
P: It was a little hastily drawn...yours is letters.
E: Yours is lines.
P: My lines mean something
E: So do mine.
P: Mine is beautiful
E: (indicates his own drawing) Men have swooned on seeing that.
P: Mine touches the heart.
E: Mine touches the head.
P: Mine will change the future
E: Oh, and mine won't?
It's kind of long, but this passage proves that art and science are linked together because it breaks the fundamentals of each subject down to find a common root between them and eventually shows a globally impacting message that they both share.
Picasso has more of a self-centered view on the world. He believes that life is of romantic view, he sees the world through lines and symbolic meanings, and that everything drawn and created has a purpose. He appeals to pathos.
Well, Einstein sees the world in the relatively same way, except that he sees a more universal view on the world, and that instead of lines, he sees letters and mathematical signs. He appeals to logos.
To get to my point, art and science are linked together in the play because even though both men have completely different backgrounds, they both see the exact same roots of their masterpieces. Picasso sees lines and Einstein sees letters and mathematical signs. When you think about it, art and science are the same. Both start out with an idea/hypothesis, and by trial and error, they eventually come to a climax; a painting or a formula, they are both the same: masterpieces.
By both men bickering about their side of the argument, the audience begins to realize that they are arguing with themselves, and that they are only exploiting the points they are trying to prove.
What I enjoy about this argument is the question that Einstein asks at the end, "Oh, and mine won't?" because it shows the commonality both share, and it is the point when they both find out they are fighting their own battle. They both show the global message that both ideas can and have changed the world:
Without art, how do we communicate?
Without science, how do we know?
First of all i would like to comment on how interesting this play was. And Steve Martin is the last person I would have expected to write it.
I think art and science are linked in a way that makes one the same as another. Well, they aren't exactly the same, but the conceptual and intellectual part is essentially what makes them so alike, as shown in this play.
When Picasso and Einstein meet, like Cooper said, They argue with each other when the are actually quarreling with them selves, not realizing that they are saying the same things.
Art I would say, is a bit more personal, only because people can interpret it in more than one way. But then again, Science, limited to formulas, can be interpreted differently too. It just isn't as free as art.
"Picasso (studies it): It's a formula.
Einstein: So's yours
Picasso: It was a little hastily drawn...yours is letters.
Einstein: Yours is lines.
Picasso: My lines mean something.
Einstein: So do mine.
Picasso: Mine is beautiful.
Einstein (indicates his own drawing): Men have swooned on seeing that.
Picasso: Mine touches the heart.
Einstein: Mine touches the head.
Picasso: Mine will change the future.
Einstein: Oh, and mine won't?"
In this passage of the play we see Picasso argue that his art and Einstein's formula are different. However, Einstein argues the contrary and eventually emerges victorious. He brings to Picasso's, and thus our attention that the structure of art and science share many similarities. The concepts of art and science coupled with ingrained bias lead us to believe theat they are very separate when in fact they are both a series of lines that represent something with deep and applicable meaning. Another aspect that is brought to attention is the reaction of people to art and science. A piece of art may cause one person to shed a tear because it reminds them of a love one, but the development of a life-saving vaccine can also cause someone else to cry tears of joy. Lastly, the effect of art and science is brought to our attention. Pieces of art can causes us to look at events and ideas differently forever, like Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe, but advances in science, such as the production of penicillin, can improve life quality and give a higher basis for people to build upon in the years to come. This passage of the play breaks down common misconceptions on the relationship between science and art to show us that the two truly share a lot in their structure, reaction, and effect on the future
Einstein: It's perfect.
Picasso: Thank you.
Einstein: I'm talking about mine.
Picasso: (studies it) It's a formula.
Einstein: So's yours.
Picasso: It was a little hastily drawn...yours is letters.
Einstein: Yours is lines.
Picasso: My lines mean something
Einstein: So do mine.
Picasso: Mine is beautiful
Einstein: (indicates his own drawing) Men have swooned on seeing that.
Picasso, believes that humans should live life at a romantic view. Picasso being an artist he see’s everything at a artistic view. On the other hand Einstein see’s everything put into a formula.
Art and science are linked in Picasso at the Lapin Agile, by Steve Martin even though both Picasso and Einstein are from different fields in their life, they still start from a sample and build their sample to a finalized product.
Like Zach said in his blog art is a much free and emotion moving piece while science is a bunch of formulas which have to be followed and if not the problem does not come out with the correct solution.
From what I've read through the excerpts of this play, it is a merging of two of the greatest minds of art and science: Picasso and Einstein. The two of them, throughout the play, are comparing their own methods of showing the world and seeing that both ends of the spectrum are valuable. The lines they write on the napkins are valuable; both the words and the way the words look. The description of the world, whether it be in a theoretical formula or an expressive piece of art, are valuable. Even the farthest branches of the same tree come from the same trunk; the human mind.
Mr. Land Just to make sure you dont forget, i could not post my blog post at home so i gave it to you as a hard copy. i am using a school computer right now, which i will try to do in the future.
Thanks,
MJ Angulo
Art and science are similar ideas lost within themselves due to their different forms of language. While science focuses on the lines of equations, following strict rules and theories, the supposed perpendicular ideas of art, following the more abstract and imaginative, are shown to be not as different as most percieve. Art, in fact, follows strict rules, allowing their to be deeper meaning in each piece. Science, on the other hand, is more abstract than imagined as scientist must allow their minds to flow outside what is considered fact in order to create new theories or laws, or just in the attempt to dissprove old ideas. Both art and science are connected in the way they are oberved, through a strict process. When an idea is formed in both science and art, a hypothesis is formed in an attempt to imagine what the outcome may be, a test is formed to try and achieve this hypothesis, in the form of some artistic piece or observational testing, and conclusions are made based on the result based off of scientific theories or the significance place upon an art piece.
This play reminds me of the bickering between religions. Though at a glance they may seem different, the basic principles taught are very similar that arguing seems pointless. In lue of offending anyone, I'll use southparks atheist versus atheists versus beaver atheists as an example. All three fought over protecting the priciples in a hillariously pointless war. Maybe they could've learned from Picasso and Einstein. Joining to similar ideas together can produce a better result (maybe a race of talking people beavers) than fighting.
In response to Zach's suprise about Steve Martin being the author, just thought you should know that many comedians are often some of the smartest people you'll find. If you listen closely to comedians even now, you'll realize how smart or correct some of their view points are. As we talked about in one of our classes, comedy was originally created to fix societies problems through laughter so it shouldn't be at all suprising that he wrote this.
Unless you just said that cause your racist but I'm not going to go into trying to correct that view.
"Picasso (studies it): It's a formula.
Einstein: So's yours.
Picasso: It was a little hastily drawn...yours is letters.
Einstein: Yours is lines.
Picasso: My lines mean something.
Einstein: So do mine.
Picasso: Mine is beautiful.
Einstein (indicates his own drawing): Men have swooned on seeing that.
Picasso: Mine touches the heart.
Einstein: Mine touches the head.
Picasso: Mine will change the future.
Einstein: Oh, and mine won't?"
The passage shows us that art and science overlap and don't exist exclusively in seperate realms. Though artists and scientists may interpret life and the world around them differently, and express their interpretations differently, at the end of the day they both have a common goal in that they investigate and attempt to make some sense of life and the world around us. This is shown when both Einstein and Picasso draw on napkins. One draws a picture and one draws a formula. Picasso's idea is more of an abstract one while Einstein's is a concrete equation. So their ideas are expressed in different formats, but when they broke them down and looked at the fundamentals behind each, they realized that they both simply drew lines. Each of the two men were trying to investigate some part of life, they just expressed their thoughts & findings in different ways, and I find that this is compeltely true in real life as well.
Art and science are completely different aspects of knowledge, science pertains to proving and disproving ideas and art is about expressing oneself. Scientists don’t express themselves through formulas that would be humanely impossible. Science itself is very concrete in that there is nothing more to it than plugging in numbers and getting results. Art is the opposite of science because an artist has the flexibility to think abstract, and to try to find beauty in a blob of paint on paper. That’s why art and science are two different aspects of knowledge. Although Steve Martin makes a decent attempt to combine art and science but having Einstein and Picasso in a fictional story agree that art and science are the same doesn’t make it viable.
I think that the use of art and science in the play is especially prevalent in the end of the play. When it talks about what each person hopes to accomplish you see the similarities in what their doing.
another example is what cooper used as his example. To me me that really shows that art and science aren't as different as we are lead to believe and like it says
"E: Yours is lines.
P: My lines mean something
E: So do mine."
when it comes down to it both mathematical formulas and drawings are lines, both can be beautiful, and both have the potential to change the world.
I also agree with what winter posted which used the same example as cooper, both people viewed their fields separately but when they see the napkins the both seem to realize after some argument that when what they wrote is broken down, it can have the same underlying value.
P: studies it) It's a formula.
E: So's yours.
P: It was a little hastily drawn...yours is letters.
E: Yours is lines.
P: My lines mean something
E: So do mine.
P: Mine is beautiful
E:(indicates his own drawing) Men have swooned on seeing that.
P: Mine touches the heart.
E: Mine touches the head.
P: Mine will change the future
E: Oh, and mine won't?
In this discussion between Picasso and Einstein we see Picasso argue that his art and Einstein's formula are different. However, Einstein argues that they are not so different and eventually wins the argument. He argues that the fundamentals and structure of art and science share many similarities. Common biases lead us to believe that they are very different when in fact they are both a series of lines that represent something and have freat meaning. This passage of the play reveals how similar science and art are in their intention, value, and structure.
Art and science are linked together in that they are highlighted as essential aspects of our lives, although either role may be different in their prevalence in any one individual. Art and science are both products of our imagination, along with the education we've gained about either field.
Einstein studied physics and countless fields of mathematics. Along with his own imagination and way of putting things together, he produced equations and theories that we still use today.
Similarly, Picasso took what he knew about shading and lights and how different colors provoked different emotions and then combined that with his own emotion and his ideas of what he wanted to portray to create the wonderful works of art we admire today.
In this play, science and art became ways of the main characters to gain fame and acknowledgment in their respective societies. It is with this confidence that they become more self-aware of their own abilities and thus become more certain of what they know. Art and science provide a sense of personal security. Art and science provided them with the chance to change the world.
"Freddy: He means that in the twentieth century, no political movement will be as glorious as the movement of the line across the paper (points to Picass), the note across the staff (indicates the Visitor), or the idea across the mind (indicates Einstein)."
Note: I'm sorry I have posted late. I was absent when everyone else got the handout for the play, so I had to look around for one, but I did end up finding a video of the play on Youtube for me to respond to:
In case there are any changes in the video and the handout people got, just thought I'd post the link to the video, that way you all can know what I'm replying to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oR4VbqkTbs&feature=PlayList&p=9A6F07B36B4BE0DF&index=0
But art and science are linked in this play very close together. I thought there were some great one-liners preceding Picasso's entrance to the play by Einstein. Just to start, when they are mentioning in the beginning about the painting on the wall in the cafe` about the sheep in the meadow, the others in the cafe (sorry I don't recall their names exactly, because I don't have the manuscript which would be easier to look back at names), say that it's
"Just some sheep, in a meadow, and some fog. Let it be."
And Einstein replies to them saying "Well I see something different. See how the sheep are small in the painting by comparison? They are engulfed by the landscape around them. I see this as nature's power over smaller things. You see, when I look at art, I look at the meaning behind it and what value it has" (sorry, I might be slightly paraphrasing). Then, when Picasso makes his entrance, he expresses his opinion about the painting by telling the art collector:
"That's the difference between you and me...you see some sheep in a meadow, I see it as something hideous waiting to be filled with something new. Advancing out into the unknown, the un-drawn,the new thing must be wrestled with, coaxed out of its cave, and pinned to the wall like a hide... And when I'm pacing, I feel like I'm reaching into the future to touch someone too."
Then this leads to the conversation everyone else seems to be referring to:
E: "Same here. I make beautiful things with a pencil."
P: "You? You're just a scientist. I'm an artist. For me, the shortest distance between to points is not always a straight line."
E: "Likewise." (Which I thought was a fantastic line, which anyone else should to if you know a thing about Einstein).
After they have their little "draw-off", they reflect on each other's work.
E: It's perfect.
P:Thank you.
E: I'm talking about mine.
P: (looks at it) It's a formula.
E: So's yours.
P: It was a little hastily drawn...your's is letters.
E: Your's is lines.
P: My lines mean something
E: So do mine.
P: Mine is beautiful
E: Men have swooned on seeing that (referring to his own).
P: Mine touches the heart.
E: Mine touches the head.
P: Mine will change the future
E: Oh, and mine won't?
This shows that both science and art try to reveal a truth by different means. Picasso is an artist, he uses paintings and structures and sculptures to convey his knowledge. Einstein is a scientist and uses his formulas and theories to convey his. Both men attempt to create something beautiful.
-Patrick
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