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Jimmy Stephens,Webmaster
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Her sense of happiness differs from yours because she merely realizes that the action evokes a pleasant feeling, but is not aware of the emotional response itself. Self-Awareness adds depth to feelings because being aware of the feeling itself makes it seem more real and allows it to be described, recognized or even transmitted, rather than only acknowledging the catalyst of whatever feeling one is experiencing.
I think the sense of happiness is moreso the same, even if it isn't between beings of the same species. I think the awareness does make happiness more than physical, because you may be feeling completely under the weather physically, but you can still recognize in your mind that you're happy. The conciousness makes it all-the-more real, and consumes your mind inside of it.
I think if I am aware I have a personal connection with those who bring me happiness. That connection comes from a my awareness of myself and my reltionship to other people. Do you think my dog feels the same way?
Firstly, no. You do not have a dog. : ) Secondly, when I cuddle Woden (my lab), he shows a stronger positive response than when Lara cuddles him. The same is true of Lara's dog. Because of my "position" in our little hierarchy, I get a greater response. Thirdly, I think being aware of an emotion lessens the quality of the emotion. When you begin to consider some aspect of yourself, you must first isolate it and separate it from what you deem as yourself. You objectify the emotion. Too much of this and you become fragmented. I would rather be a whole vessel, than a vessel broken apart and reassembled with the glue of metacognition.
Of course as you age and know more you begin to question such things and move past a point of no return, and sadly you can not return to being that happy dog you once were except in those rare moments when we forget ourselves and just experience.
Well, those are my thoughts. I hope I didn't contaminate your discussion, Mr. Land.
Mr. Gembicki,
I did have a dog but she died. Thanks for the painfull memory. :(
Her sense of happiness when you rub her belly is different from yours because your happiness is usually self induced. Her happiness requires that you rub her belly (assuming that that is her only happiness). Basically, she is only responding to the physical pleasure, not anything past a normal emotion. Therefore, her sense of happiness is different from yours.
Your consciousness and self-awareness does provide depth to your emotions beyond physical expressions because you brain is more developed and has the capacity to extend to the depth that consciousness and self-awareness provides. In other words, you are capable of taking the regular emotional response and turning it into a message that can be revisited, shared, or described.
You and your dog have different ways of feeling happiness because
the definition of happiness is different from each other. Your consciousness and self-awareness add a depth to your emotions based on how strongly you about the situation determines the amount of happiness.
Humans have evolved in the ability to understand what it is like to feel emotions such as happiness. It has been stated that dogs feel emotions based of how we present ourselves, for example if i am happy and i am expressing happiness then my dog will become happy. So i think the feelings are the same due to the fact that my dog can sense my emotion and almost intantly imitate it. OF course there are "errors" in this assumption such as, if the dog is sick then he will obviously not be happy, but on a general basis, the feeling of happiness is the same.
I disagree with MJ. I think that just because we can't experience the dog's happiness doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think that a dog experiences the same sort of conscious happiness as we do, but we cannot recognize it because it can't be communicated verbally and explained. Just because we can't see something (In this case anyway), doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Dogs may be just as advanced as humans, and we may never know it.
I disagree with Jessica's disagreement. Just like a human's ability to communicate happiness through actions and how they present them self, a dog can too. That is true that they cannot verbally communicate to us, but almost all of the time you can tell when a dog is conveying happiness through his/her actions, such as bounding to you when you open the door coming home from school, or wagging his/her tail.
And yes, good point that if we don't see happiness from the dog, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but from my personal experiences with my dog, every time he looks happy, he is definitely showing it.
I'm siding with Zach and MJ here. Sure, just because you don't experience the happiness of a dog, that doesn't mean that you can deny it's ability to experience joy. However, you cannot confirm it either through these means. We can really only assume that the actions of the dog denote it's happiness since it is not capable, sofar as we know, of concretely expressing it's emotional awareness
The sense that a human feels of happiness differs from that of another animal or a dog in this case. This is because people have constructed a more complex way of expressing emotions and it could be harder to please. Because of how complex the human mind has become things have become more advanced to us. The sense of happiness to us is usually not brought forth from something as simple as a belly rub. The process that could lead to the feeling of joy is usually not as blissfully simple as that of an animal. Home animals have nothing to worry about they are fed everyday and don't have a worry in a world. The happiness they get is bliss no worries. While humans have many goals or expectations of themselves so it is harder for us to feel happiness. Thus it is not the same because humans do not feel joy from bliss but through a reaction of strong emotions or events that happened to them.
I agree with Mr.Land. Those memories were very painful remember the poor puppy (tear).
I agree with Vince's response to the question. He seems to have the same idea as I do but he is able to explain it more clearly. If people have not noticed I'm not very good in organizing my ideas because of my low vocab I don't know how to express it or explain it.
I like to think that she feels happy, even if it is a simpler happy then what humans feel. She realizes she likes being pet and responds even if she is not mentally aware that she is feeling an emotion called "happy".
I agree with Vince's first post. I don't think the happiness is the same because a dog doesn't have the same emotional complexity or capability as a human being. Though I do think that dogs have self-awareness, I don't think their self-awareness is as developed as a persons. So though we both experience happiness, I think we experience it in different degrees.
I believe that her sense of happiness and yours are the same. Many of you bluntly stated that dogs are not conscious of their emotions, that this dog is only happy because of the feeling caused by the physical attention in this situation. First, we do not have a full understanding of why this dog is happy. In many situations to my knowledge dogs greatest joy can simply come from the joy and happiness of their owner. Therefore, we do not know if this dog is happy due to the nice feeling of a simple belly rub or the happiness and attention shown by Lord Land to the dog or both. Second, unless those of you who as I said, "bluntly stated that dogs are not conscious of their emotions", contain information or knowledge supporting this then please share with me, otherwise I agree with Jessica in saying that we have no knowledge of dogs understanding and consciousness of their emotions. If a dog is conscious of a humans emotions then making the assumption that it can not be possible for a dog to be conscious of their own emotions is a somewhat of a weak assumption.
I agree with Lord Gembicki that a persons self-awareness and consciousness of their own emotions takes away certain quality and meaning of the emotion. Ones thinking of their own emotions does objectify that emotion if thought over for too long. Though, I do agree that recollection of a certain emotion and being conscious of what caused that emotion can cause that emotion to reoccur. I suppose that it all depends on how much you think about an emotion that relates in the effect on that emotion.
I disagree with Mr. Land's post. His dog's happiness is uncontrollable just like when someone is tickled. Your dog is also known to the action that gives off that feeling, but is unknown to the feeling in it's entirety.
I agree with Jessica, i feel like that dogs and humans. I feel like dogs know when your happy and your angry. Think about it. If you yell and scream at a dog, he/she will bow it's head and tuck it's tail between their legs. So they know when your angry, they can sense and feel our emotions.
Since happiness is only a word, memories are what come to mind when we feel and comprehend happiness. Since one millimeter of one of the billions of brain cells we have can hold more memories than there are stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, we have a very good understanding of happiness (or at least however we interpret the meaning of it). The dog, however learns happiness from its owners due to the fact its life has been spent with the owner, so when the owner's happy, the dog interprets itself as feeling happy. I believe the dog knows it's happy, but only knows it because the owner wants the dog to feel happy. My consciousness and self-awareness adds a depth to my emotions beyond my physical expressions because it can be interpreted , instead of just knowing the emotion to be true.
I agree with Afro Zach when he states, "Her happiness requires that you rub her belly." Even though the dog may feel happy, our definition of happiness is different from everybody else because of past experiences. Most likely, the dog feels happy a lot, but our happiness is transmitted to the dog when we rub her belly, and we share the happiness of me rubbing her belly.
I like to believe dogs share the same feeling of happiness as we do. Scientist are learning more and more about dogs, discovering things that are thought to be human characteristics (such as a basic knowledge of math). To throw away the idea that a dog can process their emotions in some sort of consciousness without some sort of proof can generally be described as ignorance.
I agree with Jessica,Baby(; 's disagreement of MJ. Poeple in general try and make sense of things they don't understand. These defenitions will almost always put oneself on top of everything else(such as humans believing we are dominant and are the one and only species with a purpose). Just because the dog cannot explain to us its experience does not mean it cannot comprehend and understand it.
When you rub your dog's belly, it stimulates a reaction of the nervous system which causes her brain to feel happy. Your sense of happiness is a result of a stimulus of an event that you have partaken in/observed. Both are the same.
Your consciousness and self-awareness do add more depth to your emotions mentally because the brain is able to comprehend being in a state of happiness, and being aware that you are somewhat in control of the stimulus that I mentioned is intertwined with the human ego. You feel happy, you understand and conceive you controlled the stimulus that made you happy, thus being able to have that power adds to the human ego.
I disagree with Megan's response. Humans are not the only creatures that possess a conscious mind. Yes, we can reflect on why we are happy, but so can animals such as dogs.
The dog understands:
-What made it happy (belly rub)
-The sense of happiness (the reaction in the brain creating the feeling of happiness)
The dog can then understand that the cause and effect of the situation, and can reflect on it and thus will decide if it will purposively attempt to regain that state of happiness.
I know my dog craves for attention, even right after Im done petting him, he wants more petting. I think you can say that he is able to reflect on the happiness he had in the original event.
I think your sense of emotion is the same as your dogs. We show the same emotions as them, although a tummy rub wouldn't give us that type of happiness but we share the same emotions as them.
I think the emotion of happiness that both you and your dog feel are equal, however you are able to understand precisely why you are happy while your dog is incapable. You dog only knows it is happy because it's stomach is being rubbed, however if for some reason your stomach was being rubbed and this made you happy, you would know why your stomach was being rubbed adding a new depth and understanding to your happiness. hahaaahaaa
I disagree with Wasi in his statement that we share the same emotions as dogs. As far as happiness, sadness, maybe curiousity, and a few simpler emotions perhaps we share emotions, but can a dog truly feel perplexed as I can by a difficult task?
i agree with cooper, mainly because a god feels happy only because of the fact that the owner will feel happy so the humans emotions are reflected onto the dog.
1st question-no. 2nd question-yes.
By this I mean that you as a human have a different understanding of what it means to experience happiness, since you are able to compare that with other previous experiences. Your dog on the other hand, while enjoys the stimuli of a tummy rub, responds more as a sense of physical pleasure rather than a mental state of happiness.
Or so I believe.
I disagree with MJ's statement, and partially with Jessica's disagree to his statement. I agree with her that while we may not be able to feel the dog's happiness, it does not mean that their happiness in nonexistent. However, I disagree that they do NOT have the same emotional capacity as humans do.
By saying this, I am disagreeing with MJ in that I believe that dogs are not just copying the emotions of their owners. I believe that they as animals with a functioning brain are able to choose for themselves how they feel, although it is in a different matter than how we as humans might feel an emotion, such as happiness.
I agree with Lien. The definition of happiness ultimately depends on the being experiencing the particular emotion and how they perceive the emotion to be.
I agree with Wasi in the fact that we share the same emotions as our dog. We both feel happiness, sadness, jealousy, etc., though it may be different things that evoke this emotion in us than our dogs. But, like I previously said, I do think that our sense of happiness is more complex than a dogs though it is the same feeling.
The feeling she has when she gets a belly rub and the feeling we would get isn't the same becuase we usually don't get belly rubs but as dogs they get at least one every day. No consciousness and self-awareness doesn't add a depth to your emotions because of the way we think of our physical expressions and ourselves is very differed to dogs.
I don't think that we can really be fully able to place the emotions we as humans feel and compare it to those possibly experienced by a dog. People are highly complex beings, full of many different feelings. We, however, cannot simply say that a dog's sense of happiness is the same as ours because dogs are not humans and we wouldn't be able to fully comprehend how they think and feel.
Your self awareness adds depth and a greater spiritual meaning to your emotions, because your true feelings are realized. It is when one fully immerses themselves in emotion that the human experience is awaked.
I agree with Vince's first post as well. Feeling a certain emotion as a dog has the capability of doing and acknowledging its impact on your sense of being as a human has the capability of doing are completely different experiences. Knowledge of a presence and stopping at that is not nearly as complex as realizing that presence's effects and discerning whether or not it benefits one.
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